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Poll Question: Should Richard rejoin the forum? |
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| Yes, Richard would be welcome to rejoin |
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| No, the forum works better without him |
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| I don't feel strongly either way |
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| Total votes: 15 |
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Topic: Should Richard return? (Read 798 times) |
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ady
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Re: Should Richard return?
« Reply #9 on: Dec 4th, 2016, 11:15am » |
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Probably easier if someone speaks on their behalf (I haven't voted btw)
The problem was people being driven away, especially new people, when Richard ran things. He seemed to realise what he was doing and sometimes even deleted threads
As far as teaching/helping people with coding is concerned he's probably one of the best and most diligent on the entire internet
In any case IMO, if he's not allowed to run this place he won't come back.
No one ever banned him? he decided to leave?
So the real question should be do you want Richard running the forum again.
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ady
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Re: Should Richard return?
« Reply #10 on: Dec 4th, 2016, 11:41am » |
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The current arrangement may turn out to be the best one
Use Richards new place for some things and this place for others
If there's an update a thread/link can be posted
Put a link to his site prominently on here
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DDRM
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Re: Should Richard return?
« Reply #11 on: Dec 5th, 2016, 09:23am » |
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Perhaps a clarification about the situation as I see it would be useful.
I started this poll/thread at Richard's request, to help him understand whether it would be sensible for him to return to this forum, and therefore leave it as one of the key support routes listed in the BB4W help menu.
Richard withdrew himself from this forum. As I understand it, this was because of conflicts between himself and a few other members of the forum, which made him feel unwelcome. I understand that the criticism spread outside this forum, and he found that very difficult.
I presume Richard made me moderator at that stage: I wasn't before, and never asked to be made a moderator. I have tried to provide support where I can, and keep the community alive, though you will have noticed I am no expert. I greatly value the interjections/corrections made by others.
My personal view is that Richard is the author and owner of BB4W, and he set up this forum to provide support for it, so he has every right to be a member, and to run it as he wishes. I think there is no doubt that he has an unparalleled expertise, which would be of great value to the community. If he chooses to return, I will (a) welcome him, and (b) expect him to return to leadership of the forum,as Ady suggests.
In general, my own views align with those who have posted comments along the lines of "why ever would we NOT want his expertise?". I have always found Richard incredibly knowledgeable and willing to help.
The only downside I can see is that some of those who post help now, probably including me, may step back from providing support, since Richard is so much better qualified, and can be (understandably) critical of inaccurate comments. That risks leaving the forum as a bit of a "one man show".
Best wishes,
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ady
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Re: Should Richard return?
« Reply #12 on: Dec 6th, 2016, 09:07am » |
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I should point out that you won't be doing Richard any favours if you let him come back and moderate again btw, he'll simply dig himself straight back into the same old hole
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ady
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Re: Should Richard return?
« Reply #13 on: Dec 6th, 2016, 1:46pm » |
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A lot easier on everyone if we let Richard decide for himself
Does he want to return to the same old same old?
Or does he want change?
Offering him the forum back will put the ball firmly in Richards court
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Re: Should Richard return?
« Reply #14 on: Dec 6th, 2016, 8:31pm » |
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I think it's pretty clear that those who bothered to vote were very much in favour of Richard returning to the forum, but it would appear that before he could do this the moderators would have to remove the block. It would then be up to Richard to decide if he wanted to return. He may not want to resurrect the problems he had previously and if that is his decision then we must all respect it.??
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Re: Should Richard return?
« Reply #15 on: Dec 6th, 2016, 8:45pm » |
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on Dec 6th, 2016, 8:31pm, RNBW wrote:| ... but it would appear that before he could do this the moderators would have to remove the block. |
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I don't understand why he would have been blocked in the first place?
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ady
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Re: Should Richard return?
« Reply #16 on: Dec 6th, 2016, 11:09pm » |
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on Dec 6th, 2016, 8:45pm, David Williams wrote:I don't understand why he would have been blocked in the first place?
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It may be a privileges block, mod/admin stuff
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Re: Should Richard return?
« Reply #17 on: Dec 6th, 2016, 11:18pm » |
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I would also respectfully request that this thread is deleted with extreme prejudice once a final decision has been reached
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DDRM
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Re: Should Richard return?
« Reply #18 on: Dec 7th, 2016, 11:24am » |
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To clarify again, to the best of my knowledge there is no block on Richard being a member: he can enrol like anyone else. The decision not to be a part of the forum is purely his.
I haven't investigated, but it may be the case that if he wanted to take on a "managerial" role I'd have to give him the privileges to do that. I'm not sure if his previous "admin" login still exists and works. As I've already said, if he wishes to return I will happily give him whatever privileges he wishes.
As Michael has pointed out, you don't need to be a member of the forum to read it. I know that Richard can, and sometimes does, look at posts. If you aren't happy with your posts on the topic to be public, I suggest you delete them: if you find you can't, send me a private message and I will delete them.
As I posted earlier, this poll and thread was set up at Richard's request, to help him decide whether or not to reengage with this forum. I am indeed leaving the ball entirely in his court with regard to this, though I have had some private communications with him behind the scenes.
Best wishes,
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Re: Should Richard return?
« Reply #19 on: Dec 7th, 2016, 11:30am » |
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On further investigation, it doesn't look like I can change anyone's status anyway, and the "admin" user still exists, so presumably Richard can do as he pleases!
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Re: Should Richard return?
« Reply #20 on: Dec 7th, 2016, 1:52pm » |
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on Dec 7th, 2016, 11:30am, DDRM wrote:On further investigation, it doesn't look like I can change anyone's status anyway, and the "admin" user still exists, so presumably Richard can do as he pleases!
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lol, so he never gave up control of the board to start with, (now why does that make me smile... hehe)
I'm not bothered about my own posts, more about someone mentioning Richard being trolled while he was away from here.
Washing our dirty linen in public just gives anyone like that ammunition
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Re: Should Richard return?
« Reply #21 on: Apr 10th, 2017, 11:24am » |
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I don't know the history of what's been going on here, but I think Richard should be allowed back to the forum.
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KenDown
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Re: Should Richard return?
« Reply #22 on: Apr 10th, 2017, 4:07pm » |
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I am, I must admit, only an occasional visitor. I have always found Richard helpful beyond the call of duty and courteous, although of decided views.
I don't recall whether I was aware that he ran the group; if I was, I just took it as natural seeing as BB4W is his "baby".
If anyone is offended by Richard, I would echo the advice given above about thicker skins.
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