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Matt
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Re: BB4W Wiki to be deactivated
« Reply #28 on: Sep 28th, 2014, 8:04pm » |
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on Sep 28th, 2014, 5:17pm, g4bau wrote:You can't seriously be suggesting that anybody does this for each of the 300+ pages, surely?  |
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I'm not suggesting that anybody does it. I'm suggesting that that is what I am doing and that, if anyone wants to follow suit, then that's one way of doing it.
My concern, as with Ken, is that, if you decide to drop the Wiki site and we can provide no reasonable way to copy and use it as a group, then this seems as good a way as any. 300+ pages is a pain in the neck, but it's better than loosing it completely. Once it's done, I might be able to combine it into a single PDF file can be accesed through one of the other websites. Not nearly as good as the site, but still accessible.
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Re: BB4W Wiki to be deactivated
« Reply #29 on: Sep 28th, 2014, 8:40pm » |
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on Sep 28th, 2014, 7:11pm, KenDown wrote:| The prospect of all that information just disappearing is too awful to contemplate. |
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on Sep 28th, 2014, 8:04pm, Matt wrote:| if ... we can provide no reasonable way to copy and use it as a group... |
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But we already know that the information is not going to disappear and that it will remain available to copy and use. As you are aware, I have put an HTML export in the files area of the Yahoo! group. Should there be a problem with the wiki continuing to be available online, it can be downloaded from there and browsed locally.
I don't understand why anybody would feel the need to spend time and effort regenerating a version of the wiki when this simple option is available.
Quote:| My concern, as with Ken, is that, if you decide to drop the Wiki site |
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So now I'm to blame rather than Wikispaces. 
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Re: BB4W Wiki to be deactivated
« Reply #30 on: Sep 29th, 2014, 07:04am » |
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on Sep 28th, 2014, 8:40pm, g4bau wrote:| So now I'm to blame rather than Wikispaces. |
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My appologies, Richard. My intension was not to blame you, or anyone. A poor choice of words.
Quote:| But we already know that the information is not going to disappear and that it will remain available to copy and use. As you are aware, I have put an HTML export in the files area of the Yahoo! group. |
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My understanding was that you were investigating the possibility of an HTML version, not that you had done so. If that's the case, then that's fine.
I still have a more personal reason for having a local version, and that is that my internet connection is intermittent, and is occasionally out for some time. Having a local version means that I can view it off line. Although, there are many sites and thousands of pages that I would still not be able to view - so it would be a drop in the ocean.
Again, my appologies for my wording.
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Re: BB4W Wiki to be deactivated
« Reply #31 on: Sep 29th, 2014, 08:35am » |
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on Sep 29th, 2014, 07:04am, Matt wrote:| My understanding was that you were investigating the possibility of an HTML version, not that you had done so. |
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There is nothing to investigate: exporting to HTML is a facility that has always been provided by Wikispaces. This is what I wrote in an earlier message in this thread:
"Therefore of the three export formats supported, only HTML seems to be 'useful'... It can be browsed locally, and it ought to be possible to upload it to a regular website and by that means recreate a searchable 'read only' image of the wiki. Accordingly, I've replaced the wikitext backup in the Yahoo! group's Files area with an up-to-date HTML backup. I would not suggest that you download it at this stage: the existing wiki will be available until at least November 14th."
I can't see how that is open to misunderstanding.
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Re: BB4W Wiki to be deactivated
« Reply #32 on: Sep 29th, 2014, 12:40pm » |
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on Sep 29th, 2014, 08:35am, g4bau wrote:| I can't see how that is open to misunderstanding. |
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Perhaps not, but misunderstand it, I did. It is now clear. (Unless I've missunderstood the missunderstanding.  )
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Re: BB4W Wiki to be deactivated
« Reply #33 on: Sep 29th, 2014, 7:23pm » |
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Hmmm. I shared Matt's misunderstanding. I am relieved to know that the information on the wiki will not completely disappear, but I did not apprehend that assurance until these recent exchanges.
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Re: BB4W Wiki to be deactivated
« Reply #34 on: Sep 29th, 2014, 9:22pm » |
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on Sep 29th, 2014, 7:23pm, KenDown wrote:| Hmmm. I shared Matt's misunderstanding. |
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Do I conclude that my mental deterioration has reached a stage when I can no longer write understandable English?
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Re: BB4W Wiki to be deactivated
« Reply #35 on: Sep 30th, 2014, 09:30am » |
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Hi Richard,
Well, I thought it was clear!
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Re: BB4W Wiki to be deactivated
« Reply #36 on: Sep 30th, 2014, 6:33pm » |
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Not sure whether it was your failure to write clear English or the blind panic at thought of losing all that treasure the precluded our understanding!
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Re: BB4W Wiki to be deactivated
« Reply #37 on: Oct 7th, 2014, 10:36pm » |
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on Sep 20th, 2014, 2:02pm, g4bau wrote:I have no idea. Wikitext isn't standardised, so even if there were some means to 'bulk import' the content to another host (371 pages at the last count, plus numerous images) there would no doubt be a lot of editing to do.
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It's sufficiently regular to be programatically converted. I've just spent a few minutes and converted a WikiSpaces page to a Wikia page using this code:
in% =OPENIN("H:\wikispaces.txt")
out%=OPENOUT("H:\wikia.txt")
raw%=FALSE
code%=FALSE
REPEAT
A$=GET$#in%
keep%=TRUE : PROCconvert
IF keep%:BPUT#out%,A$
UNTILEOF#in%
CLOSE#out%
CLOSE#in%
QUIT
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REM //words// -> italics -> ''words''
REM **words** -> bold -> '''words'''
REM [[code format="xxx"]] ... [ [code]] -> indented text
DEFPROCconvert
IF raw%:ENDPROC
IF INSTR(A$,"[[code"):code%=NOT code%:A$="":keep%=FALSE:ENDPROC
IF code%:A$=" "+FNs(A$):ENDPROC
IF LEFT$(A$,2)="> ":A$=": "+MID$(A$,3)
PROCswap("//","''")
PROCswap("**","'''")
ENDPROC
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DEFPROCswap(M$,R$)
REPEAT
A%=INSTR(A$,M$):IF A%:A$=LEFT$(A$,A%-1)+R$+MID$(A$,A%+LENM$)
UNTILA%=0
ENDPROC
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DEFFNs(A$):IFLEFT$(A$,1)=" ":REPEATA$=MID$(A$,2):UNTILLEFT$(A$,1)<>" "
IFRIGHT$(A$,1)=" ":REPEATA$=LEFT$(A$,LENA$-1):UNTILRIGHT$(A$,1)<>" "
=A$
Edit: Wikia has a bulk upload facility, it requires the pages wrapped in XML which is programatically solvable, and I've recently had to so so when my website hosting service vanished. The main remaining issue is the BBC BASIC syntax colouring. I haven't investigated that yet.
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Re: BB4W Wiki to be deactivated
« Reply #38 on: Oct 8th, 2014, 12:55pm » |
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on Oct 7th, 2014, 10:36pm, JGHarston wrote:| It's sufficiently regular to be programatically converted. |
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Your program doesn't convert images or tables, which are used in a few BB4W wiki articles. The image syntax is easily adapted, I think, but the table syntax is less straightforward!
Richard.
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Re: BB4W Wiki to be deactivated
« Reply #39 on: Mar 6th, 2015, 10:49pm » |
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If you would give me the information on how to do it, I would like to cover this year's cost for the Wiki. I have looked it a few times and don't understand much at all, but I can see that it is too valuable to lose for the cost of one nice dinner.
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Re: BB4W Wiki to be deactivated
« Reply #40 on: Sep 8th, 2015, 8:56pm » |
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on Oct 8th, 2014, 12:55pm, rtr2 wrote:Your program doesn't convert images or tables, which are used in a few BB4W wiki articles. The image syntax is easily adapted, I think, but the table syntax is less straightforward!
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I've worked somewhat extensively with mediawiki tables, so converting raw HTML tables to Mediawiki wouldn't be too hard.
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